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Goodbye DA, keep your kittens bunnies and boobs

Journal Entry: Thu Dec 1, 2011, 5:10 AM
Lately i was looking for an alternative website that is interested in ART and not in public relations, facebook-type community activities, and whatever else DA represents the past years, and its going from bad to worse...

im looking the popular pages everyday,,,, and.... WHAT THE FUCK ??? what is this crap???? who the fuck votes for that shit?? where are the people that actually make art, and not commercial shit? why the fuck are everyday a couple of kitten pictures of ZERO quality in the popular pages?? CHANGE YOUR FUCKING RANKING SYSTEM!!!!!

im checking the DDs everyday... what is this shit??? are those the best artworks of ths website?? if yes i dont want to be part of it.... if no.. who put those uneducated teenagers volunteers to give DDs to their friends?? this supposed to be the front window of the website.. the best of the best... if you except some of the admins that realy do great job, the others are below average... its embarrasing! arent you embarrased officials of DA ???

Does any of the DA officials really care about art, or just to make some bucks??? Many of good artist of this community are leaving...

This community had a few hundred thousand members... and all we see is the SHITTY work of 20-30 of them everyday in the front pages... everyfucking day the same people the same artworks the same quality... below zero, boring and common

a few months ago i had written this journal ---> fav.me/d3rgwlr ,some officials were trying to make DA even WORSE... read it if you havent

and then check the popular pages of www.500px.com ... check the editor choices (lets say their DDs) Do you see any difference??? YES! YES I DO!!! the main difference is that in DA i turn 10 pages to find one good piece of art, and in 500px i turn 10 pages to find only good ones, and just a couple of average



so.... this is my 500px account --> 500px.com/ShotbyViT you can follow me there, because i will not be that active in DA... of course i will check ,and post new things also here, because its a shame for those millions of views, and those couple of hunder thousands pageviews and my watchers, but if you really like photography.... what are you doing in DA?? you need hours to search to find good stuff here, this is a website for 15years old kids mostly to vote for kittens bunnies and boobs (and that paper box character that i dont know why the fuck gets so many favs)

my advice to DA officials....
1. change your ranking/voting system it doesnt work.... be more elitist... its art... underage kids cannot be responsible for saying what is good art (also people with no education, or people that are here just to see naked women)... think about it
2. Dont let anyone make a group, we are full of groups, they slow down all the system, because to be popular you have to put your photo to 120983210198 groups ,and this doesnt work!! FUCK GROUPS ! 99% of them are the same. Make some official groups, with respected artists to run them, lets see good stuff.... this will make your servers work better
3. Dont let people that have no taste for art be volunteers and give DDs ... i think for obvious reasons...
4. try less subcategories...
5. make new ways to expose art, those shitty thumbnails make everyone try to shoot square so it looks better in the galleries (because the thumbnail is bigger), and people would vote for them easily, horizontal pictures are handicapped...
6. use your fine artists.... make them useful for those who want to learn...

i could think of more but who cares... they dont for sure

follow me on 500px --> 500px.com/ShotbyViT
my facebook page --> www.facebook.com/shotbyvit
my website (not cemplete yet) --> www.shotbyvit.com

and i would probably try fotogy but its still in beta version, im checking on it ...

  • Listening to: silence
  • Reading: still
  • Watching: the trains go by
  • Playing: dead
  • Eating: dust
  • Drinking: always
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:iconragnar949:
Ragnar949 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Professional General Artist
They care about bucks. That's pretty much it.

I generally agree with you, but with an exception, many of those kids (they usually are) that put up the kitties (let's say) are subject challenged. I have seen a couple who have progressed, the shots may not be of high quality technically but are obviously trying to improve. We all start as beginners (I am still one). However you are exactly right on what's wrong with "Popularity" and how it's achieved. I think it is a disservice to them. "Oh people love my kitties (I have nothing against kitty shots, I've seen some good ones) I must be doing it right." How are you going to challenge yourself and get better if you think what you do is wonderful because the populace says so?

low quality nudes--or rather snapshot boobs and crotches have no place here or anywhere. They are popular with the pervs that only come here for that. They don't even have good taste.

I'd like to see DA get rid of the "popular" thing altogether.
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elK08 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2012  Student Digital Artist
500px.com is a free page ?
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:iconpiddling:
Piddling Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2012  Professional
yes, you can also pay to have premium account, but normal account offers you everything u need
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AlexNagiPhotography Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
You are so damn right dude
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MJWilliam Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Well said. I've also noticed an interesting trend where the same exact people keep getting DDs approximately every three months. Not that some of them don't deserve it, but come on... And don't even get me started on countless sticks with tits. :disbelief:
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guillegarcia Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
well, i totally agree with you. I just wrote yesterday about it i my journal
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RoCueto Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
deviantart doesn't care about artists.
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nikongriffin Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2011  Professional Photographer
Couldn't have said it better myself, and even if I did it wouldn't carry the weight of someone with your stature in the community. I was wondering why I haven't seen anything from you in a while so I stopped by your profile. Now I know.
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Piddling Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011  Professional
dont worry, im still checking here, and i am in touch with my watchers and friends, i just use it as facebook more, since thats what the owners of this -supposed to be artistic- community wants. Im not going to spend my time searching for art and inspiration, and im not going to post art that often, for this i have my website, and my 500px account, and ofcourse facebook... why to give money to this people here that do nothing for art ?
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nikongriffin Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2011  Professional Photographer
I'm following you on 500px. The quality there is astounding and, more importantly, inspirational. Although obviously I'm not objective I would put myself in the top 10% of people who post photos here (I REFUSE to use the word 'photographer'). Over there I'm in the bottom 10% of what I've seen (although one of my nudes ranked a 92 on the first day!).
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Aximili-6116 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
I have to say while reading your journal, and for clarification, I did read it and then after reading the comments written by others and your reply, I re-read it so there would be no confusion.

I agree with about 90% of what you say, I hate Groups, it seems to be a system used to force feed what should be 1 photo of quality or shit into a 1000, which is in theory a good idea, that's exposure, you only have limited seconds on the front page to get people to look at and favourite that photo. But in reality there are people out there who in those few seconds capture enough peoples attention to stop, look and suggest it to friends on its merits alone and that's how it should become popular. Not 1000 copies in 1000 groups to get 1000 views and fav's.

I also agree that the website has turned into facebooks little brother, there is probably some art in a photo taken in a toilet on an alcohol fuelled night with a camera phone in bad lighting with someone taking a piss in the background, but if your just taking the photo because you think your cool and not because you think its artistic then there are other websites such as facebook tumbler and myspace that you can spam it with, unless the photo has intentions of being artistic then you have no reason posting it on a website dedicated to art and community, they are 2 separate words people but they go together.

The DD system seems very askew, indeed it is the selling point of this website and to have people who think 'that looks nice' isnt enough, I dont like the idea of having educated persons at the helm picking and choosing works of art, but I think there should be a better system to choose what is good enough to put placed as The Best of the Best and There are Certainly None Better on this Website that we can find!

Since I am not one of the top artists on this website I can say that I wholeheartedly agree with using the top artists to their full potential, with the amount of money that is generated here they could seriously afford to pay a select few and use them in whatever way makes this place better, inspire people to do better and this is what you could achieve, you don't need a $10,000 camera to create the best work of art, but actually thinking about the shot, the lighting and everything else that is required to make a great photo. Though I do think the use of Photoshop is cheating, (when the photo is put into the category Photography, because you took a photo but then altered it with a computer) if the photo didn't turn out well, that is the fault of the person behind the camera and using a program to make it perfect is not in my mind right.

I also don't think that the DA admin should have a page view counter, I have been to a few where the admin or mod has total shit in their gallery but with 12million views...people are not there because they love their work, they are there to either kiss their arse or complain.

I think that one way to actually have this website running the way it used to, before the fucking influx of shit photos is to actually monitor new users, if it means older users, such as yourself having to take on 100 of them and telling them what is acceptable and what isn't, why not? If your going to complain then you should be willing to help. If they put up a photo of themselves blurred grainy and crap, tell them why it shouldn't be up, if they don't agree with your suggestion to either A. retake the photo or B. Simply take it down, then it could be forwarded onto the DA admin who get paid, to review it.

So yeah, they are my thoughts, just one other, as passionate as you are to this journal, your coming off as a bit of a bastard so perhaps tone it down a little. I am no troll but I do like a good discussion which is why I put my opinion into the arena, I have had respect for what you have said, and for the most part so has nearly everyone else who has written to you so please return the favour.
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Piddling Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2011  Professional
but i am a bastard
of course i wouldnt say you are a troll, and i m able to make discussion :), (even with trolls for a little)
i have nothing to add to what you said, just my opinion about photoshop.
photoshop is part of photography now (mainly if you are talking about fashion and glamour), sometimes when the edit overcomes the photograph, then we re talking about a different art, the graphic art.
there are techniques in photoshop that are exaclty the same with what someone could do in a darkroom using film
there are other techniques which i also think is kind of cheating, like liquify the body-face, erasing objects, putting fake DOF, changing the prespective etc.
What one should do in my opinion, is to try to make a photograph perfect from the click, actually this is the real art, then you can use a second art -the graphic one, to create something else or to enhance what you already shot.
Many new photographers, that were never familiar with film, sadly lost much of the technique, and they try to replace it with photoshop, in my opinion unsuccesfully (but succesfully for the 15years old kids in DA ;) )
Also another thing that makes photographers lose important issues of the technique, is studio photography, which always comes with a LOT of photoshop (because there is lack of technique, angles, dof, composition etc).
Well in conclusion if you add some exceptions i dont think that fashion photography is art anyway... so why care about photoshop? let them live in their fake world
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Aximili-6116 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
Haha yeah I have to say that I was never able to have my own dark room, being 26 I grew up with an oh my god shit shit Kodak film camera and moved onto digital, but the one observation I can make is the digital age has brought forth a billion people who take no pride in their work, I point, click, review on the spot, if its not good enough, I'll delete it and try again, I now have 5000 chances to take this one perfect photo. With a film camera if I don't take the photo correctly the first time, tough shit, your stuck with it and I have to say, both have their great points, its just a shame neither compliments the other....

As I said I have never used or even seen a darkroom so I had no idea you could dramatically alter a photo their, but in my opinion that sounds great! Photoshop is just pressing a button and once again if you stuff up what your doing, just press the back button, sure it might take a while but in the end the photo will always turn out (depending on the skill level) perfect, no skill needed.

I agree with you that fashion photography isn't art, too much is taken away and changed and what your left with if you had the original next to the finished result would be so far removed it should be put in its own category because it certainly isn't photography any more lol

While on the subject of photos, rather like yours some very good stuff
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tatitati Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
wou...............I agree.............is good this journal
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GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
From line 37, you specifically said that DA is a website for 15 year olds who only vote for bunnys, boobs and paper box characters.

That sounds like you are DIRECTLY complaining about what other people consider art. So I disagree with your attempt to standardize the definition of 'art'.
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kkart Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011  Professional Photographer
You need to read this [link]
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:icongrummancat:
GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2011
Don't like it? Form a club! That's part of why clubs were created within DA. So that members can have a place to go where stricter rules are enforced.

I've forgotten the actual number but I remember hearing once that DA had over a million members (maybe millions). How on EARTH to you regulate the quality of that much posting?!

All the overloaded DA mods can do is lay down certain rules for conduct and respond to reports as best they can.

It's a free world. We all have to live in it.
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Piddling Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011  Professional
you are confused probably, or misread what i wrote. I never said that certain people should only post art, and i never said what is proper to post and what is not. I only care about what is popular and why is it so crap? And why DA does nothing to make the level higher, with simple logical changes. Ofcourse all members can expose their art, and discuss and do whatever think its healthy for an artistic community, on the other hand DA like a 'father' should try to educate, and help the 'young' to improve, and not to be retarded
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GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
I think you'd probably be happier elsewhere. There are plenty of serious art communities on DA. Take care.
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Piddling Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011  Professional
no there are only a few, plenty is for crappy communities and unfortunatelly they play a big part in how DA system works to make money, but i guess you are too young to notice, anyway, have fun ,thank you anyway for spending this much time trying to explain what you think i wrote, instead of actually reading it
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GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
Too young?! Hahaha! You don't know how old I am, do you? ^_^

You specifically said
"Uneducated" teenagers voting for things like bunnies, boobs and paper box characters". You said that, not me.

For example bunnies are living creatures, and those are works of art too. The most wonderful kind- they are art made by GOD. So people see art in that. There's nothing wrong with that.

You will only cause yourself too much stress by trying to control the meaning or 'art'.
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sheber Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2011
Get over it. You can no more dictate what someone else likes anymore than you can dictate what they say or create. While there are many policies and pratices that I don't agree with here (or anywhere else for that matter), you have to remember that such a large community means different things to different people. I am sorry to hear that you are no longer deriving what you need from dA, and if you leave, that is your right. Perhaps someday we will cross paths again, but I don't have the time to visit the hundreds of different URLs of my favorite artists' personal pages.
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Piddling Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011  Professional
maybe you should try to read more carefully what i wrote, instead of imaging it...
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sheber Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
I grow weary of your bitterness but I'll entertain your affront: Which points do you contest?
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Piddling Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011  Professional
unfortunatelly my english does not help me understand your joke :( i m not familiar with contest as a verb
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sheber Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011
I could see how that would be a barrier to effective communication. To contest would be to challenge the validity of (in this instance) any given observation.
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Piddling Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011  Professional
mainly the barrier is that you read my journal they way you wanted instead of actually reading it. you are stuck in a couple of sentences, and lost all the point
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sheber Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011
Perhaps, but then it again it may be you.
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Piddling Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011  Professional
yes of course, probably i dont know what i wrote and mean ,but you do...
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GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
Contest as a verb means disagree.
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GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2011
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG! It's a big internet, and no one gets to control the standards. Water seeks its own level and in any community this big, EVERYONE is represented. Unless you want strict government censorship of the internet like China...
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Piddling Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011  Professional
i guess you too have a problem in reading, so read again what i wrote, instead of putting words in my 'mouth'
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:icongrummancat:
GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
I can quote many of your words directly and still criticize. I don't need to put words in your mouth! You said them yourself!

For example-
On line number 10, you say "What is this shit?? Are those the best artworks on this website?? If yes, I don't want to be a part of it."

So I reply "It is a big internet and no one gets to control the standards.

Like it or not, I DID read your every word and I understood. I STILL do not agree with you.
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GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
I thought when you said "Goodbye DA", you were leaving???
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:iconpiddling:
Piddling Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011  Professional
i thought when you wrote here on my journal that you were able to read also
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:icongrummancat:
GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
Yes, I can indeed read and I read your every word. You specifically complain about "Uneducated" teenagers voting for things you do not consider to be art. My point is that art is a matter of opinion. You may not agree, but you can't force your opinion on the DA mods.
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Piddling Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011  Professional
my point is that since you take it that personal, maybe you should worry you are one of them.
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:icongrummancat:
GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
We are all 'one of them'. Everyone who creates 'art' is subject to other people's opinion.
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Nanahii Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2011
May I clap what you said...? If so, here I go: :clap::clap::clap:
Who can say what is "good art"? Art means something different for each person, doesn't it? I can't see the point of an art community where just the pieces that appeal few "selected(?)" people tastes get recognition :/
It would be a weird world if we all liked the same things, after all~
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GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
This guy seems to have a real problem with people who disagree with him. If you don't agree with him, it means you didn't read carefully. :lmao:
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:icongrummancat:
GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
Cheers, dude! OP here seems to be frustrated.
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Piddling Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011  Professional
well my little troll im not 15 :) so keep trolling, and i will not tell your mother tonight about it :*
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:icongrummancat:
GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
"Troll?" That's the easiest laziest accusation to levy at someone who doesn't agree with you. So now everyone who doesn't agree with you is a troll now?

OK, so I re-read your journal CAREFULLY now. Just to be sure. And I still stand by my criticism. You wanted a long drawn out criticism, here goes.

You make a particular point about suggesting new rules to the DA mods, going so far to say "don't let everyone make a group".

What?! That is what I meant by the censorship comment. It's a big internet (and big website). NO ONE gets to hold thousands of people to their own personal standards. Don't like the quality of work you're seeing here? Form a group and ONLY let those who you feel have serious quality to their work into your group.

I was responding specifically to points you made in your journal and the best you can say is "troll".

Seriously- can't someone just flat out disagree with you?

My point was this
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Piddling Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011  Professional
well see that you cant read... ? how can now argue when someone says i said something i didnt ? i leave it as it is... keep up trolling
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:icongrummancat:
GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
You said "What is this shit?? Are those the best artworks on this website?? If yes, I don't want to be a part of it."

Do you deny saying that?
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GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
(cont'd)- DA is a huge site with many many points of view. We all have to live together and get along. Of course leaving the site is always an option. I too am frustrated sometimes with the crappy mirror-shot self portaits and genital closeups spattered all over the place. But I still understand that everyone has the right to their own space on DA and EVERYONE has a right to make whatever groups they want and let only those they wish to into their groups.

As far as the DA mods changing guidelines AS YOU SUGGEST, that is an extremely touchy subject- And they are really busy. I mean there's no way to settle on standards for those new guidelines in the first place.
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Piddling Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011  Professional
lets say the same to you, maybe you should make a group of #people-who-dont-read-but-comment-anyway ... because i never said anything like this you are talking about...
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:icongrummancat:
GrummanCat Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
I did read the journal very carefully. I still disagree with you. Not everyone is going to agree with you on this matter, dude.
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Nanahii Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011
Sorry, but I did read the whole journal, you complain about "bad art" making it to the front page or DD system, getting recognition, that's it.
What you see as bad art may have a special meaning for other people, or may simple appeal their taste.
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Piddling Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2011  Professional
well read again, "repetition is the mother of knowing/learning" said the ancient Greek. I suggest you read also the discussions made below, maybe you will understand more, what im talkin about
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